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jjennings_Pgh_Pa
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JesusFreak777
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 Posted - 08 Mar 2003 : 9:28:28 PM
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In the Bible it also says that we won't know the day or hour of the end times, but it does give us some clues on when he will come!!!!
I've heard a few predictions of when he is going to come but it doesn't mean it's true.
People have been saying that it's time for the Tribulation for years and nothings happened, I mean yes there has been some predicted stuff in the Bible that's already happened but it hasn't come to the Tribulation yet. So just ignore it.
Fellow Christian,
JesusFreak777
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Ron G
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 03:17:32 AM
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Dear jjenings,
Your site is starting time at the creation of Adam, and in 2006 you have Noah dying.
The modern calendar we use starts counting from the birth of Jesus.
What is the relationship? |
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jjennings_Pgh_Pa
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 12:12:57 PM
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In response to: Ron G
Sir,
You posted to me the following.
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Dear jjenings,
Your site is starting time at the creation of Adam, and in 2006 you have Noah dying.
The modern calendar we use starts counting from the birth of Jesus.
What is the relationship?
Please follow me, I need for you to understand different contexts.
Yes, my site records creation at Adam and by common sense I assigned the year as 0000 which is creation. Taking each verse as the Word of God presents it.
In respecting the record of Moses, the years recorded in Genesis chapter 5 come from Adam 0000 to Noah, and there are 2 verses that are needed to answer the question as to when is the end of Noah, these are Genesis chapter 9:28-29. With these verses one learns that Noah died in 2006 after creation.
Where you must understand the paralell however, Is while no one knows the exact time from creation to present day, we are now nearing the year 6,000.
Your looking at the birth of Jesus and calling it 0000 at his birth is actually near the year 4000 from creation.
Adam to Noah was 2006 years from creation to Noah's end. Respecting scripture. the parallel is that scripture notifies us that
1 Corinthians 15:45: And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1 Corinthians 15:46: Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:47: The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. (KJV)
So, Jesus is called the second Adam. And from his birth to present is 2003, or at least that is according to the calandar we are using. I am trusting God as presenting his parallel, and know he will make perfect the measure from beginning to end.
I am interpreting as he says in Matthew 24:37 to be viable,
Matthew 24:37: But as the days of Noe were , so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. (KJV)
because Jesus says it will be this time, and I interpret it as a window from 1056 to 2006 which I consider could run to 12/31/2006 and in this context still be true as Jesus spoke this prophetically.
There are 3 containers of time, one as to Adam to Noah's end, which is 2006.
Yhe middle is at the discretion of the Father as to the days.
The other is our present generation, with Jesus being last Adam, from 0000, or at least accepting the beginning as history presents it, and come the end in 2006 as Matthew 24:37 prophesy's of it.
sincerely,
jjennings_Pgh_Pa
You may want to consider thes other verses that are part of scripture.
I interpret this as being the full measure of our measure on earth.
Exodus 31:17: It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. (KJV)
The first sign being for the Jew's measure,
Psalms 90:4: For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (KJV)
This second sign, above being the Gentiles measure.
6,000 years being the full measure of the evolving of mankind, and after the day of rest, the day of judgment.
The day of rest/millenial reign.
Revelation 20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 20:5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Revelation 20:6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (KJV)
There are many other examples I can provide, but whether you can peacebly receive them or not is necessary for you to come to terms with.
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http:www.nb.net/~pitt000117/
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present_truth2002
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 1:30:29 PM
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The 3 angael's messages of Revelation 14:6-12 must come first...before Christ can come.
1st Angel's message)....Everlasting Gospel, investigative judgment of God has already started for Christians, worship on the 7th Day Sabbath, (Revelation 14:6,7).
2nd Angel's message).... the call of God to people everywhere to come out of 'false worship'...such as worship services on Sunday, the 'immortal soul' doctrine, etc., (Revelation 14:8).
3rd Angel's message)....Warning people everywhere not to take the 'Mark of the Beast", (Revelation 14:9-11).
These 3 Angel's messages are given by the present Day church of God, by Christians ! This church keeps all 10 Commandments of God....and has the faith of Jesus, (Revelation 14:12).
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SkateExtreme1080
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 7:13:48 PM
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The way I see it, fear not what time that day comes, but fear what happens to you when that day comes, and do all you can in your time left to get where you want to go. Truth is, no one really knows when their time is up, who's to say we'll live till the rapture?
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my quivers full
Canada
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 8:00:44 PM
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jjennings_pgh_pa
I had a look at your website, I can see how you came to your conclusion but I think you may be misinterpreting the scripture.
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KJV Matthew 24:37 But as the days of noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Maybe my understanding is wrong, but when I read this scripture I tend to also read the next few versus and see the whole thing in a different context.
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38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
Many people tend to be self absorbed, i can too at times, And i think those who are waiting for the coming of our Lord will have a sense of urgency when the time draws near. Those who aren't waiting are doin their own thing and will be surprised when it does happen.
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Jim
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 9:40:53 PM
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While I think there is some merit to your math. I don't think you can use Matthew 24:37 as a calendar. Your conclusions are very specualative and while they are very nice theories, I would personally be hesitant to try to convince others of such theories if it were me. I have a similar theory, but I understand how speculative it is and won't share it publically just because it is just a theory. Back in 1987 someone wrote a book called, 88 Reasons Why the Lord Will Come Back in 1988. The book sold really well, but as you can see the Author was very wrong. I understand he made a good case, (I didn't waste my money), but he was either wrong or lying.
And of course if my interpretation of scripture is correct that would mean that the Beast would have to be revealed this year and I don't see that one coming. Since you don't line up with my interpretation of the rapture you have to be wrong, (sorry I had to do it).
Seriously, you could be right, but I don't put much stock in such theories, even my own.
BTW, I live in western PA too. A bit north of the Burgh, but still in the region. |
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jjennings_Pgh_Pa
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 10:03:14 PM
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my quivers full Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 8:00:44 PM
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jjennings_pgh_pa
I had a look at your website, I can see how you came to your conclusion but I think you may be misinterpreting the scripture.
Sir,
Tell me this? you suspect that I misinterpret the scripture, but you have not mentioned the example of Genesis Chapter 11 wich is on page 2 of my home page. > http://www.nb.net/~pitt000117/ <
You see, the same dicipline that I applied to the days of Noah as to ending come 2006,
in Genesis chapter 11 Abram/Abraham was born in 1948 after creation. While Israel was born a nation and received the land that Abraham was promised in our present calander 1948.
How do you explain this other parallel?
Would you still insist I am misreading or misinterpreting scripture?
I interpret this as a second verifier of "this generation"
As being whom the Lord spoke of.
sincerely,
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Owen
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 10:27:47 PM
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Perhaps I am off base here, but I think any exercise to determine when Jesus will come again is a futile exercise, because he says no one but God knows when "heaven and earth" will pass away in Matthew 24:35-36
35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
(Note: In the KJV, it doesn't not say "nor his Son," but does say "but my Father only.")
Jesus says only God knows when the end of heavans and earth will come. Maybe I am wrong in this, but I associate the Second Coming with the same time period as when first heaven and earth will pass away(not the exact same time of course).
If what I think is true, since Jesus has infinite wisdom, would he not have been able to interpret the OT to be able to know when the end of this world will come? He said he himself didn't know, so maybe the methods of predicting the second coming based off of Scripture is a waste of time, because there is no answer there. If Jesus didn't know, then surely we can't find anything from it.
Am I off base with that line of thinking?
James 1:2 (NIV)
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jjennings_Pgh_Pa
USA
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 10:49:17 PM
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In response to Jim:
you posted: "While I think there is some merit to your math".
I respond: Thank You, but it is not my math, so I will be pleased to be called a fine servant of the Lord.
First it is the record of Moses recorded of the chosen 10 generations in which Adam, Seth, and Noah were the continuity of the information presented in the record of the Word of God, the Bible.
You also posted: "I don't think you can use Matthew 24:37 as a calendar."
I respond: I do not use Matthew 24:37 as a calandar, I indicate Jesus spoke these words and he is also a prophet, and that these words taken as a prophecy and look to with expectancy to come true, that a timeline of Noah's days did not exceed into 2007.
You posted: "Your conclusions are very specualative and while they are very nice theories, I would personally be hesitant to try to convince others of such theories if it were me."
I respond: Respectfully, my conclusions are based on scripture, and scripture only. I indicate I read the Word of God and do not put my own interpretation on it. I do not say I think, rather I ask how can this be and still be true as spoken, and this is the interpretation of it, and respecting the Lord.
You posted: "I have a similar theory, but I understand how speculative it is and won't share it publically just because it is just a theory."
I respond: Please e-mail me and explain your theory, I would be interested to hear it and share how I am lead by what you eye as viable to the return of the Lord.
Send your e-mail to jjennings_Pgh_Pa
You posted: Back in 1987 someone wrote a book called, 88 Reasons Why the Lord Will Come Back in 1988. The book sold really well, but as you can see the Author was very wrong. I understand he made a good case, (I didn't waste my money), but he was either wrong or lying.
I respond: I never read the book, but how much of it was based on the Word of God? Also, I am not selling anything, nor am I making money.
I consider myself as serving the Lord. The reason I post what I believe is the prophecy of Jesus Christ, is not for my glory nor gain, but for to put on notice a person who would put off coming to the Lord. It is written that the Father desires that none would perish, and I serve both Father and Son as to the Word of God.
sincerely,
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gdg65605
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Posted - 10 Mar 2003 : 06:52:56 AM
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jennings, Friend, How can you be sure of your dating system?
(1) We don't know the specific date of creation,
(2) Nor of the Exodus
(3) nor of Jesus's ministry.
All we do have is best guess aprox. of the time frames involved.
I don't wholly disagree with you, I believe Jesus must return before 2067, and after all many ancient calanders are going to be ending in the next dozen years or so, but I'm curious as to your information. Curious note here, look at Whiston's translation of Joesephus, he gives 3 different dates for the creation, Joesephus's, the ancient Jews and his own.
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Rachael91
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Posted - 10 Mar 2003 : 1:36:22 PM
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For years, people have placed dates on the Coming of Christ. They all have been wrong. They said it was prophetic, and it was nothing more than error. A true prophet has true prophecies.
As stated before in Matthew we don't know, not the angels or Jesus Himself of His coming.
Dispensationally, when the prophets were "seeing" the coming events it was like looking at the mountain peaks, ie The Birth of Christ (The first coming) His ascension into heaven then (The Second Coming) The Millenium. The Church Age(the dispensation we now are in) wasn't seen. Also, on the prophetic calendar the next event(though some don't believe) will be the Rapture. Though not mentioned by name scripture points to this event(I Corinthians 15:51-55; I Thess 4:16-18;II Thess 5:8)
The Second Coming of Christ and the "Great Snatching Away..Rapture" are not the same. After the Rapture comes the Time of Great Tribulation when the Anti-Christ makes his appearance. This man is part of the un-holy Trinity (Satan..anti-God; Man of Perdition..Anti-Christ; False Prophet...Anti-Spirit) There will be peace for 3.5 years (See Daniel chapters 7,8, and 9) How do you get 3.5? Times, time, and half times.
But, nowhere is there a date for these things....we just got to be ready!
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jjennings_Pgh_Pa
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Posted - 11 Mar 2003 : 01:49:20 AM
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In response to: Rachel|91
You posted: quote:
For years, people have placed dates on the Coming of Christ. They all have been wrong. They said it was prophetic, and it was nothing more than error. A true prophet has true prophecies.
I ask: Faciously - I hope Jesus knows this?
You posted: quote:
As stated before in Matthew we don't know, not the angels or Jesus Himself of His coming.
I state: Does this infer, Jesus can not prophecy because he did not know? The Father could not have empowed him?
You posted: quote:
Dispensationally, when the prophets were "seeing" the coming events it was like looking at the mountain peaks, ie The Birth of Christ (The first coming) His ascension into heaven then (The Second Coming) The Millenium. The Church Age(the dispensation we now are in) wasn't seen.
I answer: Really, What was the book of Revelation all about concerning the churches then?
You posted: quote:
Also, on the prophetic calendar the next event(though some don't believe) will be the Rapture. Though not mentioned by name scripture points to this event(I Corinthians 15:51-55; I Thess 4:16-18;II Thess 5:8)
I ask: What verse is it that mentions the rapture? Also, for refusal of the mark, how many of these do you think get saved raptured?
You posted: quote:
The Second Coming of Christ and the "Great Snatching Away..Rapture" are not the same. After the Rapture comes the Time of Great Tribulation when the Anti-Christ makes his appearance. This man is part of the un-holy Trinity (Satan..anti-God; Man of Perdition..Anti-Christ; False Prophet...Anti-Spirit) There will be peace for 3.5 years (See Daniel chapters 7,8, and 9) How do you get 3.5? Times, time, and half times.
But, nowhere is there a date for these things....we just got to be ready!
I answer: I am ready, have been since 1985. But, I post not to the ones of the Lord who refuse to consider, as to read the scripture and believe, but to the lost, who may read and believe, and thereby gain salvation.
As for the "times", 2000 years for the first part, 2000 years for the second part, that is the "times",
and 2000 years for the third part, that is the "time",
and the half time being the 1000 year millenial reign.
2000 years to the destruction of the earth, Noah, Abraham.
2000 years for the Jew,
2000 years for the gentile, and the age of Jesus Christ
1000 years for the day of rest
Exodus 31:17: It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. (KJV)
Psalms 90:4: For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. (KJV)
2 Peter 3:8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (KJV)
sincerely,
jjennings_Pgh_Pa
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jjennings_Pgh_Pa
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Posted - 11 Mar 2003 : 02:50:08 AM
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In response to: gdg65605
Greg
You posted: quote:
jennings,
Friend, How can you be sure of your dating system?
I respond: It is not my dating system, it is the record of the Word of God. I respect it for that. Can you accept this?
You posted: quote:
(1) We don't know the specific date of creation,
I respond, sure we do, it is written, man was created on the 6th day, of course this was the year "0" or 0000 if you will.
Genesis 5:1: This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; (KJV)
Genesis 5:3: And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: (KJV)
see: At the year "0" Adam is created on the 6th day, and 130 Seth is born and Adam is a father for the third time.
Either read and believe, or what are you looking to God for?
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(2) Nor of the Exodus
I answer: Here I do agree with you, there is an obscurity as to the exodus being 430 years or 690 years or so.
But I offer, God knows, and I am confident he will not forget or make a mistake.
You posted: quote:
(3) nor of Jesus's ministry.
I answer: Sure we do, our present calandar states our year is now 2003 AD.
And I am also confident the Father has not lost track of the true measure.
You posted: quote:
All we do have is best guess aprox. of the time frames involved.
I answer: Here we disagree. We have the Word of God. All one needs to do is read, and believe.
As posted above, Exodus 31:17 declares it is a sign forever.
Psalms 90:4, and 2 Peter 3:8 clearify this, and the measure was introduced in Genesis as being applied by God. Why else did men die before they reached the year 1000. They died that day.
You posted: quote:
I don't wholly disagree with you, I believe Jesus must return before 2067,
I ask: Why so?
You posted: quote:
and after all many ancient calanders are going to be ending in the next dozen years or so,
I ask: Why?
Why would the calandars end? Please provide proof or an example?
You posted: quote:
but I'm curious as to your information.
I answer: Again, it is found in the Word of God, the Bible.
You posted: quote:
Curious note here, look at Whiston's translation of Joesephus, he gives 3 different dates for the creation, Joesephus's, the ancient Jews and his own.
I answer: What Book, what chapter, what verse?
The book you mind appears not to be of the Word of God.
sincerely,
jjennings_Pgh_Pa
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jjennings_Pgh_Pa
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Posted - 11 Mar 2003 : 03:21:03 AM
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In response to: Owen
Sir, I don't think your off base, reading scripture is good and were supposed to do so. But your reading a posted and declared context to a generation 2,000 years ago.
You fail to contemplate that your living in the generation prophecied to.
sincerely,
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Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ 2006
