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ssheep
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 Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 8:14:40 PM
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I was thinking about this today, and wondered if you guys would have any helpful input:
I was thinking about how Jesus came and set up a new 'religion', for lack of a better word, and how it has been referred to as "The Way". In Buddhism, a man came and set up a new religion and called it "The Way." In Confucianism, a man came and set up a new religion and called it "The Way." In the Muslim world, a man came and set up a new relgion and called it "The Way".
But only in Christianity, as far as I know, the man who started it all was predicted to come. My question is: isn't that right?
What do you all think about that?
*~ssheep~*
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CelticWitch
Canada
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Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 8:33:17 PM
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Christians blieve he was predicted, the Jews believe the prophesies are still to be fulfilled (and it's their prophecies after all).
I'm sure there are unique qualities about each of the persons you mentioned that someone inclined to find it would point to as "proof" that they are the "truth".
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Faithwalker
USA
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Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 11:31:36 PM
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BUDDAH is buried in a stone.
Mohammed is scattered around Mecca.
Confucia is sealed up in some wall.
But Jesus, THE TOMB WAS EMPTY............
Halaluya........THE TOMB WAS EMPTY.
Why follow a dead prophet?
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CelticWitch
Canada
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Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 12:13:32 AM
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The Jews would say you follow a dead prophet.
You believe he was raised from the dead, that's not the same thing as actually being raised from the dead
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sword of truth
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 06:41:17 AM
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But Jesus, THE TOMB WAS EMPTY............
we dont actualy know it was his tomb. theer is still no undoubtable evidence that says it was his tomb. and anyway many tombs are broken into and bodies stolen with riches etc.
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ssheep
USA
377 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 1:16:53 PM
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I'm sure there are unique qualities about each of the persons you mentioned that someone inclined to find it would point to as "proof" that they are the "truth".
Ok. I see your point. That makes sense to me.
Thanks everyone for your input. 
*~ssheep~*
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dmvprof
USA
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Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 2:43:53 PM
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Does anyone recognize that the prophecies that Jesus supposedly fulfilled were like a want ad inviting a person to apply with the right resume'.
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CelticWitch
Canada
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Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 3:32:06 PM
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I know a few people who refuse to recognise it.
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ssheep
USA
377 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 5:58:44 PM
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WANTED: Someone born of a virgin, a son of God, to die on a cross as a final sacrifice for the world. Must be willing to perform miracles and heal many. Strong character and powerful speaking/teaching skills a must. Send resumes to Dmvproof.
*~ssheep~*
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Daisy_
USA
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Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 7:26:59 PM
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Was it predicted that the Messiah would die on a cross?
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Evangelist Mike
USA
628 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2002 : 4:13:02 PM
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dmvprof,
"Does anyone recognize that the prophecies that Jesus supposedly fulfilled were like a want ad inviting a person to apply with the right resume'."
Really, How does one determine the circumstances, time, and place of their own birth? How does one determine the circumstance, time, and place of their own death? (Apart from suicide) How does intentionally determine such details that are outside of his control?
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CelticWitch
Canada
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Posted - 05 Dec 2002 : 7:22:16 PM
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WANTED: Someone born of a virgin, a son of God, to die on a cross as a final sacrifice for the world. Must be willing to perform miracles and heal many. Strong character and powerful speaking/teaching skills a must. Send resumes to Dmvproof.
*~ssheep~*
He died for me. I will live for him
References and Documentation NOT required.
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CelticWitch
Canada
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Posted - 05 Dec 2002 : 7:36:07 PM
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dmvprof,
"Does anyone recognize that the prophecies that Jesus supposedly fulfilled were like a want ad inviting a person to apply with the right resume'."
Really, How does one determine the circumstances, time, and place of their own birth? How does one determine the circumstance, time, and place of their own death? (Apart from suicide) How does intentionally determine such details that are outside of his control?
Mike
Easy, when your writing about the events, third hand a few decades later you just "fudge" the details to fit. It's not like the prophecies were precise or specific anyways, most of the people your writing to weren't even there and the ones who were are either caught up in the religious fervor or are contributing to the mythology anyways. The motive to make the life of Christ fit the prophecies, through a little creative "bookeeping" is quite obvious. Christianity was originally an oral tradition and the tale always grows in the telling.
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Evangelist Mike
USA
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Posted - 07 Dec 2002 : 3:31:46 PM
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CelticWitch,
"Easy, when your writing about the events, third hand a few decades later you just "fudge" the details to fit."
The apostles were written by the apostles or those very close to the apostles. These men were first hand witnesses, not "third hand".
"It's not like the prophecies were precise or specific anyways, most of the people your writing to weren't even there and the ones who were are either caught up in the religious fervor or are contributing to the mythology anyways."
Try as you might, you cannot simly dismiss the gospels of the basis of religious fervor. There are other documents that confirm their historical nature.
"Christianity was originally an oral tradition and the tale always grows in the telling."
The apostles wrote the Scriptures, not from oral tradition, but from first hand accounts.
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upaasaka
Indonesia
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Posted - 08 Dec 2002 : 10:16:50 AM
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But only in Christianity, as far as I know, the man who started it all was predicted to come. My question is: isn't that right?
What do you all think about that?
*~ssheep~*
certainly the Christian claim that their founder was predicted by the sacred books of another religion is unique amongst the established religion of the world (it is quite common amongst cults and sects; especially those based on Christianity). i don't think this is a fair point of comparison with other religions, however, because many other religions simply do not share the christian belief in prophets and revelation.
(Theravāda) Buddhism (and i think Doaism and Confucianism as well) does not believe in the existence of a God or a divine plan for the world, so there is no expectation that the coming of the Buddha should have been predicted. the validity of the Buddha's teachings is not believed to be based on his appearance fulfilling some kind of divine prophecy.
my point is that implying the superiority of Christianity by saying "Only Christ was predicted!" is imposing your beliefs on what makes a religion valid on other religions which may have completely different standards by which they judge the validity of religions.
It's like a Muslim saying "Lots of religions have holy books, but only Mohammad single-handedly recited the Qu'ran!" For a Christian, whether Jesus personally dictated the Gospel word for word to his disciples is irrelevant. For a Buddhist, whether the Buddha was prophecied before his birth is irrelevant.
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CelticWitch
Canada
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Posted - 08 Dec 2002 : 12:59:30 PM
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CelticWitch,
"Easy, when your writing about the events, third hand a few decades later you just "fudge" the details to fit."
The apostles were written by the apostles or those very close to the apostles. These men were first hand witnesses, not "third hand".
"It's not like the prophecies were precise or specific anyways, most of the people your writing to weren't even there and the ones who were are either caught up in the religious fervor or are contributing to the mythology anyways."
Try as you might, you cannot simly dismiss the gospels of the basis of religious fervor. There are other documents that confirm their historical nature.
"Christianity was originally an oral tradition and the tale always grows in the telling."
The apostles wrote the Scriptures, not from oral tradition, but from first hand accounts.
Mike
It is generally accepted, among Christian theologians, that the Apostles did not pen the Gospels. In fact we have no knowledge of who actually did, whether they were dictated accounts, accounts after the fact, or records of oral traditions. We don't even have the original manuscripts as penned. There are no other documents that record their historical nature, that is exactly the problem.
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