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William_Ebert
USA
106 Posts |
 Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 6:35:42 PM
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I am very confused about if it is right to call God, God and Jesus, Jesus. I mean, I think it would be proper to call them whatever they were originally called. I believe God was originally pronounced Yahweh and Jesus was pronounces Yashua.
Not to mention, though, all the different names for God. Theres Jehovah, Lord,...
But the question is, why on Earth were their names changed? It seems so phony that their names were changed 100%. Do you even think that there were people in the bible names John, Luke, Daniel, etc? NO! We're calling all these biblical heroes by the wrong names!
Could an educated person tell me a bit about this stuff? Or could someone link me to a site with info on this?
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CelticWitch
Canada
1243 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2002 : 7:12:54 PM
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sounds like wannabe fishing under an assumed name?
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Faithwalker
USA
777 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2002 : 12:01:07 AM
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Just like Juan is John and José is Joseph in Spanish.
John, Luke, Daniel all have their Hebrew or Greek others.
You'll have to get a Hebrew or Greek Bible translation to figure it out.
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israelthebride
USA
289 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2002 : 01:12:05 AM
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A NAME is Important
DT 5:11 "You shall not misuse MY NAME, YHWH, your GOD, for YHWH will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses HIS NAME.
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I used to live next door to wizards/witches and on Frinights they would have their parties. We lived in large apartments and I would climb out onto the second floor roof and watch through their window. I was real young (I was 8-10) and was able to.
During their celebrations they would babble in “tongues” (it sounds like the “tongues” I hear in “churches” today) and shout "lord spirit, come to us and be in us!" They would call this spirit their god. Saying things like," you are our god." Other things I remember they said are:
"you, our god, will free us from this world."
"he is our god"
"he is our master and savior"
Later on in my life, I traveled and was very interested in evil worship because of the things I saw them doing. While growing up, I was after the sexual gratification of these meetings. I didn't care what they worshipped or what they were doing, I just wanted the sex that was offered.
During these times I heard names mentioned and saw figures appear under cloaks and sheets. I never inspected them because I believed it to be real. I had grown up watching it.
I prefer not to use the names, now, but the titles they used are important to this post.
They used god,
spirit,
lord,
"the christ",
"the one I worship",
the creator,
"the one who commands all",
"the one who's word is law".
They would use "lucifer" when they wanted him there personally. They told me that "satan" and "devil" were only titles. There were other names, but, at this time, these are sufficient.
It would frighten me when I heard some of these same names in "churches". I would wonder if we were worshipping the same or someone/something different. I would ask myself, "Who is GOD?"
Who was doing it correctly, the "lucifer" worshippers or the GOD (at that time this is what I called YHWH) worshippers in the "churches". The "lucifer" worshippers worshipped sin and that is what they did---out and out sin. What did "christians" worship?
I believe,
Calling YHWH, only, by the name "GOD" is like me calling you, only, by the name "human".
YHWH is GOD. GOD is not HIS NAME.
YHWH is LORD. LORD is not HIS NAME.
YHWH is SAVIOR. SAVIOR is not HIS NAME.
I believe this is a prophecy of the lost ten, US.
Amos 6:9 If ten men are left in ONE HOUSE, they too will die, 10 if a relative, who is to burn the bodies comes in to carry them out of the HOUSE, and asks anyone still hiding there, "Is anyone with you?" And if ONE of the ten says, "No," and says, "Hush! We must not mention the name of YHWH"
11 YHWH will give the command,
and HE will smash the GREAT HOUSE into pieces
and the SMALL HOUSE into bits.
Look for HIS NAME. Know HIM personally.
If you think calling HIM "GOD" is sufficient, make your friends call you "human" and you call all your friends "human" and see if they can tell who you are talking to.
It is your choice to choose whether this is important or not.
But, believe me, the next time you cry out "I love you, lord" with no name mentioned----lucifer will accept it and take it.
I know.
YHWH is HIS NAME and a good ONE to start with.
BLESS US, YHWH, our GOD.
Make US YOUR ONE!!!
WE are ONE!!!
LOVE,
RICOEL
ISRAEL, the BRIDE of YH’SHWH Ministry
WE are ONE!!!
ISRAEL,
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Yirmeyahu
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2002 : 10:02:45 AM
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HalleluYAH!
His name is Yahweh!
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eva
USA
3213 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2002 : 10:06:30 AM
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Well said Isarel. My God's name is Yahweh.
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Cryptonomic
USA
93 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2002 : 10:45:02 AM
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I am very confused about if it is right to call God, God and Jesus, Jesus. I mean, I think it would be proper to call them whatever they were originally called. I believe God was originally pronounced Yahweh and Jesus was pronounces Yashua.
Are you willing for a somewhat long post? I apologize but sometimes you have to actually write out a lot even though people dislike that.
Name of God
Obviously it would be difficult to discuss the nature of religion and the scriptures without mentioning God at some point. However, people often feel very strongly about how God is referred to and, if nothing else, it does pay to explain one's particular usage. Many people take the name of the god mentioned in the Hebrew and Christian texts to be "God" or "the Lord." This is incorrect however because such an appellation is merely used as a title of distinction. Paul mentions as much: "For even if some are called gods, either in Heaven or on the earth; even as there are many gods, and many lords; but to us is one God, the Father, of whom are all things..." (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)
The word God, with a capital G, is simply the monotheistic religious manner of naming that which is worshipped as being the only object worthy of worship. Where the term god means a supernatural being or deity, God means the Supernatural Being, the Deity. There is, however, much evidence that it is not quite this simple. There was actually a name for the deity that the Israelites called "God." Consider a verse in Isaiah: "I am Jehovah; that is My name..." (Isaiah 42:8)
The King James Version generally says "Lord" and the World English Bible says "Yahweh." Then there are some like the above Masoretic text (and like the American Standard Version) which say "Jehovah." Some also refer to the "Lord God." So which is it? Well, it pays to remember that the original books of what are now called the "Old Testament" were written in Hebrew and Aramaic. The name of "God" in the original scriptures is given by the Hebrew characters Yod, He, Vav, He. These four letters are known as the Tetragrammaton. This is a Greek word that means "four letter word:" TETRA (four) + gramma (letter). These are normally transliterated into English as YHWH or JHVH. (Where a translation is simply saying the same thing in another language, transliteration is representing letters or words in the corresponding characters of another alphabet.) Traditionally YHWH means Yahweh and JHVH means Jahveh. Because much of the work of biblical research was done by German scholars, we have the confusion of the English Y being represented by the German J and the English W being represented by the German V, hence the two different representations. However, this is also the same case with Latin so it is not entirely certain how this came about. Because of this, variants of YHVH and JHWH (Yahveh and Jahweh, respectively) are to be found. The form "Jehovah" seems to be of late medieval origin but it is widely held that it does not represent an accurate form of the name used in Hebrew. The reason that Masoretic texts usually adhere to it is because it is the established English usage for Bible names, as witnessed by Jacob, Joshua, or Joseph.
It is thought that YHWH (Yahweh) had earlier shortened forms of Yo, Yah, or Yahu although this is not known for certain. What does seem likely is that the Jews eventually added vowels to the name (after vowels were incorporated into the Hebrew language by the Masoretes) and thus YHWH became YeHoWaH, and, given the semantic problems already mentioned, became JeHoVaH in some circles. The most common current renderings are Yahweh and Jehovah. Another thought, and probably more accurate, on how this all came about is that the Judahists and the Jews decided not to use the true name of God in the scriptures. As Judahism (not Judaism; note the distinction) became an almost universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco-Roman world as the forerunner of Christianity (which derived from the Yeshua-faith), the neo-Judahists chose to use the Hebrew noun elohim, which means "god", more or less. The Tetragrammaton was replaced by the Hebrew adonai, which means "Lord" and thus we end up with "Lord God" all over the place. But it seems that the vowel signs of these two terms eventually got intermixed in later translations and were incorporated into YHWH thus starting the whole ball rolling towards misinterpretations. Adonai was translated as Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint, which was a Greek translation of the "Old Testament" made in the second or third century BCE. The Vulgate (the Latin translation of the Bible made by Saint Jerome in the fourth century CE) used the word Dominus. The "New Testament" Greek koine dialect would make reference to Theos ("God").
Name of Jesus
Being historically accurate, we need to call him Yeshua. That is his name: not "Jesus". It is how his family would have referred to him and his followers probably knew him. In actuality, his name was probably pronounced in the rough regional dialect of Galilee as "Yeshu", but in Jerusalem, it was more likely fully articulated. After his death some of his followers moved into the "pagan" world and there they employed the Hellenized form of his name. But, if the Gospels are accurate to any degree, Yehsua never left Israel in his adult life. (This is actually a very important point regarding the formation of Christianity. By changing Yeshua's name to a Greek name, the writers of the Christian texts made the Gentilization of the faith seem to be something that was part of the inevitable flow of spiritual progress, and, most misleadingly, that this process was intended by Yeshua. We have to keep in mind that Yeshua was not a "Christian". He would never have heard of the term as it had not yet come into existence.
So the name "Jesus" is a modern translation. His original name was probably derived from Yehoshua ("Yahweh delivers"). Today we would probably say it as "Joshua" but "Jesus" is a Greek translation, or, rather, a Greek interpretation of the Hebrew name Yehoshua. We also have to consider that the word "Christ" is a Greek translation of the word "Messiah." The term in Hebrew/Aramaic meant "[he who will be] the rightful king of Israel." The term now is taken to mean "bringer of salvation through redemption of sin." The term Messiah is a future tense word and did not have any supernatural aspects in relation to how the Judahists (not Jews) used the term, but rather it just referred to a king-in-waiting, so to speak; a future king. The term "christos" was used by the Greek translators and even though the term did not (and should not) apply to one person, that is how the term came to be used: by giving the name Jesus Christ. In reality, of course, "Christ" is not a name but a title, so it makes more sense to say "Jesus-the-Christ" when talking about the allegedly divine aspects and Yeshua of Nazareth when speaking of the allegedly historical aspects.
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israelthebride
USA
289 Posts |
Posted - 10 Dec 2002 : 9:23:42 PM
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Dear Cryptonomic,
I like your well researched post and, yes, all HIS NAMES are translation after translation.
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In fact the greek title used for MESSIAH is the same form of the word used for the name "greece". "christ" written here phonetically would be translated in out language as "greased" or "greased/oiled one". "chris" is translated into grease/oil; the name of the country that that was it's major exporter - Greece.
MESSIAH has the same translation. The "greased/oiled one" or later translated in old english as the "annointed one".
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In submission to HIS SPIRIT, I have learned that the "shin" (the Hebrew letter) that is placed over the TEN COMMANDMENTS is part of HIS NAME.
In my understanding of HIS SPIRIT, I have learned that our GOD's NAME is YH'SHWH. (Phonetically spelled)
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WE Believe
WE believe that YH'SHWH’s plan was to create and to get HIS BODY together. (Ezekiel 37:1-12) It started with the first man and woman. WE believe that they were created as ONE and then separated into two. (Genesis 1:26-28, 2:21-23) Then, they went and did what they wanted to do without YH'SHWH; on their own. That is the sin. To act/do anything without YH'SHWH.(Genesis 3:6)
YH'SHWH in HIS LOVING GRACE killed an innocent animal (WE believe a LAMB), instead of the man and woman, and took it’s skin and covered them. (Genesis 3:21) (Death was introduced into CREATION) HE covered their sin with INNOCENT SKIN. WE believe that’s why Abel’s gift was respected. (Genesis 4:2-5) Abel was offering to YH'SHWH, YH'SHWH’s SACRIFICE. As WE should. Cain was offering what Cain did for YH'SHWH.
WE believe that YH'SHWH, HIMSELF, came to take the place of that SACRIFICED LAMB. YH'SHWH, as MESSIAH, came and denying HIMSELF became a human indwelled by HIS SPIRIT. As WE should. Everything HE did was done as a human listening and following YH'SHWH’s WORD and HOLY SPIRIT. As WE should. WE believe that HE, as a human, had to learn who HE WAS. As WE do. HE, YH'SHWH as MESSIAH, put all creation on the line for our SALVATION. HE LOVES US!!!
WE believe that all HIS actions are actions that we are capable of doing as HIS BODY. The only difference is that HE is the HEAD (of HIS BODY) and WE are HIS BODY.
YH'SHWH is creating HIS BODY!!! Each one of US a “cell” – a “room”.
When HE was here on earth He was in COMPLETE FORM, but death had to be conquered. Death was introduced by US, the BODY, in our sin. HE died INNOCENTLY and death was conquered.
Again, YH'SHWH is creating HIS BODY!!!
Example:
Look at the "atom". Physically it has a center and objects orbiting around that center. Look at the "universe" (which by the way means ONE WORD) and it has a center with objects orbiting around that center. They look alike. The universe is made of atoms that have come together as ONE WORD. The atom is in the image of the universe.
The signs in the sky.
So, again, YH'SHWH is creating HIS BODY!!! HE is the HEAD. HIS SPIRIT is in HIS BODY. WE are HIS BODY. WE are in HIS IMAGE!!! HE has given US our body. Our body will never deny US. Our body will follow US anywhere, sadly, even into sin.
The difference between our given body and HIS, is that HIS BODY will CHOOSE to be HIS!!!
HIS BODY will CHOOSE to be HIS HOLY BODY!!!!!!!
WE will be ONE!!!
YH'SHWH (HEAD)-------SPIRIT (BRIDE)-------CREATED BODY (SON)
WE are called the sons (children) of YH'SHWH.
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The end is covered by the “TWO (olive branches/candlesticks) WITNESSES/ANNOINTED ONES that stand before the LORD of the Earth”. (Zechariah 4 / Revelation 11) WE believe the TWO WITNESSES/ANNOINTED ONES are the TWO OLIVE trees, becoming ONE, in Romans 11. The TWO branches that were broken off in Jeremiah 11:16-17. The TWO WITNESSES are not two people, but TWO PEOPLES that will become ONE.
HIS BODY!!!
The TWO are explained in Ezekiel 37:15-28. In fact, HIS WORD (The BIBLE/Genesis to Revelation) is prophesized in these verses. The word that is translated “stick” in Ezekiel 37 is translated to “tables / tablets” in Habakkuk 2:2. WE believe that the “tablet” written for “the HOUSE of JUDAH” is our “Old COVENANT Books” and the “tablet” written for the “HOUSE of JOSEPH, that is in the hand of EPHRAIM”(House of ISRAEL) is our “New COVENANT Letters”. Joined together into ONE TABLET; ONE in OUR HAND!!!
(WE believe that HOLY TABLET is our TWO COVENANT Books
that are in ONE Book-HIS WORD-Genesis to Revelation)
And when WE are asked, “What does all this mean?” WE will answer:
The TWO kingdoms (The TWO PEOPLES-The TWO WITNESSES)
will become ONE, never to be two again,
under ONE KING, ONE GOD!!!
YH'SHWH
This WE Believe!!!
LOVE, RICOEL
ISRAEL, the BRIDE of YH'SHWH Ministry
WE are ONE!!!
WE are not CREATED for a certain time.
WE are CREATED for FOREVER.
WE are CREATED for YH'SHWH.
ISRAEL, the BRIDE of YH'SHWH Ministry |
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python_kiss
Canada
190 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2002 : 08:29:57 AM
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Mary is actually suppose to be Marrium (Mur-ri-um).
M Jawad S
[99:7] Whoever does an atom's weight of good will see it. <Qur'an> |
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Cryptonomic
USA
93 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2002 : 09:04:40 AM
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Mary is actually suppose to be Marrium (Mur-ri-um).
Actually, it is "Miriam". The Tosefta, as just one example, mentions the famous case of a woman named Miriam bat Bilgah. Many of the extant Nazorean teachings list "Miriam" (and "Miryai"). The extant Essene writings also list the name as "Miriam". One can also read the para-biblical Gospel of the Birth of Mary. "Miriam" is, in Hebrew, "Mem-Resh-Yod-Mem Sofit". That is in translation. In transliteration, "Mary" would be "Mem-Resh-Yod".
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wannabe
USA
385 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2002 : 5:53:36 PM
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The Greeks/Romans had their own language that was "seperate" from the Hebrew language and everyone is having their minds "twisted" into thinking Greek NAMES and TITLES are "translations" for the real thing, but THEY ARE NOT.
Rev 12:9 tells us the whole world is being decieved for a reason.
Acts 4:12 WARNS us of only ONE NAME in which we can be rescued from the soon coming plagues and this name will be a "seal" on our foreheads.
All of this mixing with blasphemous Greek names/titles "Iaso'us (Jesus) Christos, LORD (meaning keeper of the loaf, owner of slaves)
God/Gad, a Bab. deity of FORTUNE/MONEY (hint: In God we trust)
This will all soon be coming to an end,
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